Farming in the current ROSE Online versions is dead.

[Drezynit]

It's a huge problem indeed

In order for a game to feel good, you need to be able to immerse yourself into it. That's exactly the core of the problem. The drops need to make sense for a player to be able to figure out on his own where to search and what to kill.

Currently it's the exact opposite, it's feels like a casino, where the only variable that matters is how many mobs are you killing and how fast. 

But also, Rose nostalgia is a big part of why people are coming back to play. If old players can't even trust their own knowledge that they acquired a long time ago, they feel robbed of their own game

[Zeror]

On 2/2/2024 at 7:46 PM, Drezynit said:

But also, Rose nostalgia is a big part of why people are coming back to play. If old players can't even trust their own knowledge that they acquired a long time ago, they feel robbed of their own game

Of course. You don't want to alienate things too much. But I think most people would agree that any game how old or new undergoes changes whatsoever. So smaller changes, like a new enemies, or even bigger changes, like map redesigns, are totally acceptable if this makes the game better.

[Thystro]

 

On 2/2/2024 at 7:46 PM, Drezynit said:

It's a huge problem indeed

In order for a game to feel good, you need to be able to immerse yourself into it. That's exactly the core of the problem. The drops need to make sense for a player to be able to figure out on his own where to search and what to kill.

Currently it's the exact opposite, it's feels like a casino, where the only variable that matters is how many mobs are you killing and how fast. 

But also, Rose nostalgia is a big part of why people are coming back to play. If old players can't even trust their own knowledge that they acquired a long time ago, they feel robbed of their own game

I for one can't wait for a looting revamp. Havent touched the game in 10+ months but might give it another shot once these issues have been fixed.

[akosimaki]

In my own opinion we must also consider things different now compare before, many players got no whole day just to farm on spots, i think we all still farming the way we want to play the game and how we can still enjoy it. 

to earn valor = Farm (DG or Quest)
to earn mats = you also farm on spots

We can't just say just farm mats all the way cuz even now on this current server people are just camping some farming spots and other people can't even get a chance to farm cuz some people camping this said spots

so i think on both worlds FARMING on SPOTS for mats and FARMING DG/QUEST for valor is still FARMING, it will just be preference from now on...on how you will just enjoy the game

the only thing I can suggest is to give more spots on to farm on and increase the mobs scatter on different areas/maps/location so we can maximize the whole PLANETS and make it more farmable to all players who want to do this method.

just my own opinion being a FARMER on DG and being a FARMER on SPOTS.

[Ashura]

3 hours ago, akosimaki said:

In my own opinion we must also consider things different now compare before, many players got no whole day just to farm on spots, i think we all still farming the way we want to play the game and how we can still enjoy it. 

to earn valor = Farm (DG or Quest)
to earn mats = you also farm on spots

We can't just say just farm mats all the way cuz even now on this current server people are just camping some farming spots and other people can't even get a chance to farm cuz some people camping this said spots

so i think on both worlds FARMING on SPOTS for mats and FARMING DG/QUEST for valor is still FARMING, it will just be preference from now on...on how you will just enjoy the game

the only thing I can suggest is to give more spots on to farm on and increase the mobs scatter on different areas/maps/location so we can maximize the whole PLANETS and make it more farmable to all players who want to do this method.

just my own opinion being a FARMER on DG and being a FARMER on SPOTS.

I think you are missing the point of this whole topic, the problem is not about farming certain spots its about the lack of farming in general since the valor shop has all the materials you need so there is no reason to farm, also most of the items you want as drops do not drop from mobs anymore you can just do dungeons get Valor Points and then buy it in the shop.

You dont have to hunt Orple or Eudy's for Eudy Feathers or you dont have to hunt hookwings for hook feathers to create wings just go to your trusty Valor Shop and you are good to go.

The drop tables have to be revisited to make the game more enjoyable for many of the players who want to farm and feel that sense of thrill when you get those mats and you can finally craft the wings,armor,weapon or sub item that you desperately want.

 

[kaiserkiva]

7 hours ago, Ashura said:

I think you are missing the point of this whole topic, the problem is not about farming certain spots its about the lack of farming in general since the valor shop has all the materials you need so there is no reason to farm, also most of the items you want as drops do not drop from mobs anymore you can just do dungeons get Valor Points and then buy it in the shop.

You dont have to hunt Orple or Eudy's for Eudy Feathers or you dont have to hunt hookwings for hook feathers to create wings just go to your trusty Valor Shop and you are good to go.

The drop tables have to be revisited to make the game more enjoyable for many of the players who want to farm and feel that sense of thrill when you get those mats and you can finally craft the wings,armor,weapon or sub item that you desperately want.

 

You have vague points while correcting another post. What do you mean by ‘the valor shop has all the materials you need so there is no reason to farm, also most of the items you want as drops do not drop from mobs anymore you can just do dungeons get Valor Points and then buy it in the shop.’  Chemicals can be farmed from mobs (not in the valor shop). Gems can be farmed from Kings and dgs (most of the gems are not in the valor shop). Hook feathers (NEVER IN THE VALOR SHOP LOL). Fibres, forest ash, dirties (not in the valor shop). All feathers, all hearts and all scales were removed from the valor shop a few patches ago which is a big improvement.

As an artisan who actually crafts gems, weapons, armour and subitem, I rarely use valor shop for my matts (I.e. threads, furs, metals, leather, etc.) cus I either disassemble items or farm them as it’s most cost effective than using valor for these mats. I only buy from the valor shop for cart mats but I still have to ‘farm’ valor to get them. My point is that using the valor shop for mats is optional. I agree with @akosimaki that not all players have the whole day to farm mats. Therefore a mixture of dg and more farming spots would be nice. 
 

I realised that I mentioned valor shop 9 times lol. The last reply just seemed troll-ish with the misinformation and without making a valid point.

Edited February 5 by kaiserkiva

[Ashura]

12 hours ago, kaiserkiva said:

You have vague points while correcting another post. What do you mean by ‘the valor shop has all the materials you need so there is no reason to farm, also most of the items you want as drops do not drop from mobs anymore you can just do dungeons get Valor Points and then buy it in the shop.’  Chemicals can be farmed from mobs (not in the valor shop). Gems can be farmed from Kings and dgs (most of the gems are not in the valor shop). Hook feathers (NEVER IN THE VALOR SHOP LOL). Fibres, forest ash, dirties (not in the valor shop). All feathers, all hearts and all scales were removed from the valor shop a few patches ago which is a big improvement.

As an artisan who actually crafts gems, weapons, armour and subitem, I rarely use valor shop for my matts (I.e. threads, furs, metals, leather, etc.) cus I either disassemble items or farm them as it’s most cost effective than using valor for these mats. I only buy from the valor shop for cart mats but I still have to ‘farm’ valor to get them. My point is that using the valor shop for mats is optional. I agree with @akosimaki that not all players have the whole day to farm mats. Therefore a mixture of dg and more farming spots would be nice. 
 

I realised that I mentioned valor shop 9 times lol. The last reply just seemed troll-ish with the misinformation and without making a valid point.

well clearly you didn't read my post with an intent of understanding and just took offense for what i said in response to yours, in any case those where examples i made regarding what you would normally get from monster drops and you just made my point by reiterating you farm for valor points to purchase cart mats when it use to drop in abundance in GoS from golems but yeah make your point regarding end game farming and not comprehending what the thread really is about actually. Regarding your disassembling its mainly RNG btw but yeah way to go i am glad that you find fulfillment in other ways and hope that that will never change.

Reading it back now i think You are right this is a troll-ish reply with misinformation. 

 

[Thystro]

22 hours ago, kaiserkiva said:

You have vague points while correcting another post. What do you mean by ‘the valor shop has all the materials you need so there is no reason to farm, also most of the items you want as drops do not drop from mobs anymore you can just do dungeons get Valor Points and then buy it in the shop.’  Chemicals can be farmed from mobs (not in the valor shop). Gems can be farmed from Kings and dgs (most of the gems are not in the valor shop). Hook feathers (NEVER IN THE VALOR SHOP LOL). Fibres, forest ash, dirties (not in the valor shop). All feathers, all hearts and all scales were removed from the valor shop a few patches ago which is a big improvement.

As an artisan who actually crafts gems, weapons, armour and subitem, I rarely use valor shop for my matts (I.e. threads, furs, metals, leather, etc.) cus I either disassemble items or farm them as it’s most cost effective than using valor for these mats. I only buy from the valor shop for cart mats but I still have to ‘farm’ valor to get them. My point is that using the valor shop for mats is optional. I agree with @akosimaki that not all players have the whole day to farm mats. Therefore a mixture of dg and more farming spots would be nice. 
 

I realised that I mentioned valor shop 9 times lol. The last reply just seemed troll-ish with the misinformation and without making a valid point.

I think you completed missed my first few posts. This seems like a sub-discussion in itself. Also keep in mind that the feedback I gave was during the earlier months of the release of the game, some things might have been changed a lil bit already however the loottables are still mostly shit and there is no reason to go to a lot of maps still. Due to repeatable Q, shit loot and being able to obtain it anyway with a max-ed out character.

 

On 1/17/2023 at 9:38 AM, Thystro said:

Yeah the loottable in GoS is not worth it at all sadly. RIP One of my favourite maps.

Just a little meme I've found on /r/mmorpg that sums up the valor system and repeatable quests imo

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This is a lil bit off topic but yes it seems kinda odd. The penalty doesn't seem to apply on uniques? I've gathered about 3 uniques thus far from grunter captains on my level 190 raider. But this is a discussion for elsewhere.

 

 

Edited February 6 by Thystro

[kaiserkiva]

10 hours ago, Ashura said:

well clearly you didn't read my post with an intent of understanding and just took offense for what i said in response to yours, in any case those where examples i made regarding what you would normally get from monster drops and you just made my point by reiterating you farm for valor points to purchase cart mats when it use to drop in abundance in GoS from golems but yeah make your point regarding end game farming and not comprehending what the thread really is about actually. Regarding your disassembling its mainly RNG btw but yeah way to go i am glad that you find fulfillment in other ways and hope that that will never change.

Reading it back now i think You are right this is a troll-ish reply with misinformation. 

 

I didn’t really take offence. When you mentioned that hook wing pieces are in the valor shop, it made me question whether you even farm or had a look at the shop. Anyways, thanks for clarifying.

I do agree with the thread that having the mats in the valor shop somewhat killed traditional farming. However, I think having those mats available are still good as not everyone has time to farm all day. Regarding cart mats being only available in valor shop, maybe reinstating them back in gorge of silence again in a form of treasure chests would be good. The chests should only be obtainable from repeatable quests for a certain levelling bracket for example level 70-100. This would prevent max level players farming them, have more players visiting the map and stop people moaning about valor shop. I know this is not the ideas section but this is like killing 3 birds with 1 stone. Boom! Problem solved *insert gorge of silence music*