Zephyos Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Hello, I just change my job to Muse, but there is only one buff for party member in the skill window. Where are all the other buffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 If you already weren’t aware, the muse/cleric class had some buffs removed. I’ve listed them below. Secondly, the party buffs wont be available until level 20. Muses now have party Magic Resistance Up, Max Mp Up, Enhance Damage, Int buff, and they also have another enhance damage buff just for themselves Soldiers now have party Attack Power Up, Defense Up, Max Hp Up and Str buff Hawkers now have party Movement Speed Up, Dodge Up, Attack Speed Up and Dex buff Dealers now have Accuracy Up, Critical Up, Con, and Sen buffs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyos Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 What? So Muses are pratically useless now, a class who is directly gone to the trash. What an error to do that T_T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddox Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 But can a muse/cleric still buff you when they are at max level? i mean will they still be useful or helpful for grinding or leveling my low level characters, sorry for the dumb question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddox Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Avatar said: If you already weren’t aware, the muse/cleric class had some buffs removed. I’ve listed them below. Secondly, the party buffs wont be available until level 20. Muses now have party Magic Resistance Up, Max Mp Up, Enhance Damage, Int buff, and they also have another enhance damage buff just for themselves Soldiers now have party Attack Power Up, Defense Up, Max Hp Up and Str buff Hawkers now have party Movement Speed Up, Dodge Up, Attack Speed Up and Dex buff Dealers now have Accuracy Up, Critical Up, Con, and Sen buffs But can a muse/cleric still buff you when they are at max level? i mean will they still be useful or helpful for grinding or leveling my low level characters, sorry for the dumb question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyos Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 Probably, but they lost all their useful buffs T_T They just destroyed the class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddox Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 tolonges yan si avatar eh xD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-POSB- Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/16/2022 at 1:34 AM, Zephyos said: What? So Muses are pratically useless now, a class who is directly gone to the trash. What an error to do that T_T Agree to this!! So dam useless class in game nw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyrica Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/16/2022 at 1:34 AM, Zephyos said: What? So Muses are pratically useless now, a class who is directly gone to the trash. What an error to do that T_T You can try leveling without support muse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinescepter Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/16/2022 at 1:34 AM, Zephyos said: What? So Muses are pratically useless now, a class who is directly gone to the trash. What an error to do that T_T Yeah, try leveling without one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clester Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 You guys are wrong they can help out leveling faster since they have high damage input as a backline support inside ice castle you will get what I mean when you get there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4rev Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 They just ruined the Muse/Cleric Job Class. Period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlchemistVile Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Learn to heal and support without buffs. It's not hard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthtomski Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, k4rev said: They just ruined the Muse/Cleric Job Class. Period. I don't think we're ruined. Firstly try leveling in an AOE group without a support muse/cleric. We're very much in demand. Additionally my battle cleric style muse packs quite a punch and has massive self sustain. Im enjoying what Rednim have done despite being quite apprehensive about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windeon Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I think is a good thing, all classes now brings utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESRever21 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I still don't understand why the muse class gets an unannounced nerf: taking near all joy out of the game "for me." I'm hoping for more of a change in the full release. A suggested thought would be maybe, you can make the buffs party based to avoid the common "buffs pliz!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, ESRever21 said: I still don't understand why the muse class gets an unannounced nerf: taking near all joy out of the game "for me." I'm hoping for more of a change in the full release. A suggested thought would be maybe, you can make the buffs party based to avoid the common "buffs pliz!" Unannounced nerf? The information on removing all the buffs from cleric job has been stated for a very long time all over Discord and several topics on the forums. No where were these changes unannounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashura Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Avatar said: Unannounced nerf? The information on removing all the buffs from cleric job has been stated for a very long time all over Discord and several topics on the forums. No where were these changes unannounced. The status effects being reduced from 10-15 to a mere 5 seconds is a major problem which was not announced (Mana Bolt amd Hellfire both reduced to 5sec effects and Voltage Jolt/Storm 2sec) I do not mind the longer cooldowns for spammable skills but status effects drastically down when a ghosts or shamans effects lasts for 20secs is definitely unfair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESRever21 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) I've been on many other servers, and i have not lost the "urge to grind" like i have on this server. Edited May 14 by ESRever21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbity Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 ^This. My muse was level 38 for months. A few weeks back I leveled her to 61, where she's remained since. My mage that I leveled to 121 and took to Xita suffered a random rollback down to 104 (and Luna, sadly) and stayed at that level for more than a month. I just couldn't muster the desire to go through artillery penguins etc all over again. I leveled her back up to 120 earlier today and took screenshots this time, just in case someone tries to mess with me again. Either way, there was a definite demotivating barrier I had to overcome. All of this is a long way of saying that we're playing muses with a lot fewer instant microgratifications and all that good stuff that kept us going. Buffing random noobs feels really good. Being super-useful, regarded as critical, even, feels good. A party ain't a party without a muse - and that's where we went wrong. We created a forced rigid meta and we doubled down on it. How do we fix this? Where do we go from here? We can go from this point and make something different but better. Easily, even. Make all class skills more interesting. Currently, 70% of most class skill trees are flat, limp and uninspiring. You can't even tweak the numbers or you ruin the leveling meta or the PvP meta or the farming meta... blah blah blah. Just stop having stupid skills. Change them. Give muses more interesting abilities, things like resetting a monster's aggro to neutral, exorcising ghosts, raising dead teammates to life from remote locations (or even TO remote locations!), summoning stationary holy lightning as a cleric upgrade to their lightning skill(s), make MDEF UP buff a lot stronger, enough that it makes more than just a token difference against ghosts; add a status resistance / duration reduction effect vs debuffs... I could go on and on, and if you looked through the old Suggestions subforum you'd see I already have. The devs have a cornucopia of ideas to draw from. They should start leveraging that so people stop missing the old and look forward to the new. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyk Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 14 hours ago, Bobbity said: ^This. My muse was level 38 for months. A few weeks back I leveled her to 61, where she's remained since. My mage that I leveled to 121 and took to Xita suffered a random rollback down to 104 (and Luna, sadly) and stayed at that level for more than a month. I just couldn't muster the desire to go through artillery penguins etc all over again. I leveled her back up to 120 earlier today and took screenshots this time, just in case someone tries to mess with me again. Either way, there was a definite demotivating barrier I had to overcome. All of this is a long way of saying that we're playing muses with a lot fewer instant microgratifications and all that good stuff that kept us going. Buffing random noobs feels really good. Being super-useful, regarded as critical, even, feels good. A party ain't a party without a muse - and that's where we went wrong. We created a forced rigid meta and we doubled down on it. How do we fix this? Where do we go from here? We can go from this point and make something different but better. Easily, even. Make all class skills more interesting. Currently, 70% of most class skill trees are flat, limp and uninspiring. You can't even tweak the numbers or you ruin the leveling meta or the PvP meta or the farming meta... blah blah blah. Just stop having stupid skills. Change them. Give muses more interesting abilities, things like resetting a monster's aggro to neutral, exorcising ghosts, raising dead teammates to life from remote locations (or even TO remote locations!), summoning stationary holy lightning as a cleric upgrade to their lightning skill(s), make MDEF UP buff a lot stronger, enough that it makes more than just a token difference against ghosts; add a status resistance / duration reduction effect vs debuffs... I could go on and on, and if you looked through the old Suggestions subforum you'd see I already have. The devs have a cornucopia of ideas to draw from. They should start leveraging that so people stop missing the old and look forward to the new. Grinding is really a pain. It also adds up not good party members who AFK for my whole time playing in this server. I remember someone from ruins getting angry and started killing us after kicking him out after he leeches for a long time. Hope they give at least 5 basic buffs again to Muse and Clerics. Hard to find party and if you're a newbie you'll be grinding almost forever without items. At least buffs will aid them. Yeah I hope Clerics will have holy attacks. Since their implementing elements. I mean FS Cleric doesn't even have a good offensive magic skill. Currently FS Clerics have High Int for nothing. Since buffs are removed. At least make them a Magic Attacks that are useful. I mean I played Ragnarok of Gravity and Acolytes have even more useful skill tree than clerics. And even Priest and High Priest has better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESRever21 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) It's kind of funny; as of right now I have one buff on my muse while, my dealer has 3. lol Edited May 23 by ESRever21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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