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It is a bug, Devs are working on it.

People will create low level chars with no-exp to get the mats, and the economy for lower level mats will rise for new players. They will have more income. Not sure what I think about the change tho.

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You are betting quite a lot, upping the score from 23 to 30, reacting to my post while the majority of your reaction isn't on topic to what I was posting.

I need to react to this, since you are not talking facts in some particular parts, and this really annoys me: They are closing the topics because people are violating the rules in not respecting each other. Next to that, the vote they did close, was heavily in favor of supporting the way they go. Yea, sir, heavily successful server with a messed up economy, people keep playing this because there is no good alternative and they have such amount of time invested already, hugely p2w features, should I go on? Please get your facts straight before you post such and immense disrespectful post.

That is why we have to experience the current changes in de Early Access (which means not full release, since not all builds, changes, balance or w/e is final yet) and give feedback to the devs how to build upon the changes! They never stated that this would be the new purpose of cleric and that they won't improve it further.

One final comment from me on the cleric buff situation: 1. Some of you fail to see that if one class have all the power in buffing other chars, and you need those buffs for max efficiency, people are 'forced' to level one and build that character for the full support build. If you don't do this, you are reliant on the availability of others, which over the years have been proven that most people do not like if there is another option available. 2. At least in the current situation no single class has all the buffs, and by the client max of 2 you are forced to play together with others if you want all buffs. Regardless of the changes I still think the problem of 'AFK solely build characters for buffing' is still there, I would love to see a solution for that as well. PS: Please don't repond to this with 'but you just destroyed the sole purpose of the cleric, we need revert', we know this by now.

If you want to apply multiple to different clans or test multiple to check which you want to use, you should do it one by one.

You do act however like when you had the buffs in a party this was a much different play style!? Now they removed the once in 15 minutes giving buffs supporting from this situation. Sounds like a huge impact.

Still very curious what other people think of this and if it is accurate!? And what your answer to the question would be.

Come on, do I really have to explain my words? You say: 'What you just have said is that removing buffs from cleric, doesn't solve the "buff slave" problem.' I say: 'And I never stated that it did.' Meaning, I never said that removing buffs from cleric solves the 'buff slave' problem.

And I never stated that it did.

Let me describe the situations as it was and how it is now (in my interpretation). So the people voting YES, want situation 1 back. People voting NO are open to evaluate situation 2 and give feedback on what they experience: Situation 1 - Previously Cleric had all the buffs available All classes had their own specific class buffs available, which were stronger with full buff build No client limitation Pro's: Full support Cleric had all the buffs available Not reliant on other players for having all the buffs. Cons: To have 1 char with all the buffs available you needed a Cleric. To have best possible buffs available you needed a buffer of every class with a special buff build. Conclusion: Everyone who doesn't main a Cleric, has to either build one to not be reliant on the available buffs, or build all 4 classes with full buff build for the best available buffs. ----------------- Situation 2 - Current All classes have their own specific class buffs available 2 client limitation Cons: To have best possible buffs available you needed a buffer of every class with a special buff build. Cleric mains who loved to support, do no longer have all buffs available and can only support through healing. Without workaround, reliant on other players for full buffs. Conclusion: To be able to have all buffs available, you need a buffer of every class. This isn't easily achievable by yourself with the 2 client limitation (with some workaround of login buffers you could level around 12 minutes with all buffs all by yourself). ----------------- So my question is what do we want to achieve (or what does Rednim want)? Do we want class builds purely for getting the best possible buffs? Do we want to encourage playing with others and therefore make people reliant on others? PS: please tell me if I missed any info regarding the situations, pro's, cons or in the conclusions.

I also ROSE for over 10 years and always hated the 'buff slave' aspect (or the building a seperate character for an AFK purpose only) of this game! So maybe there are more voices than just yours and of your followers. It is fine to share your opinion, as do I, but you are disqualifying every other opinion to be dumb or not valid.

It feels like you are ranting sir, I never stated you are a troll or some baby. Neither do I turn people who disagree with me into something weird. I don't really know where you get all those things from sir!? The Sad emoji is something Rednim themselves provide on the forum to show you don't agree with someone, so not really disrespectful. That's fine and if the majority agree with you and after people tried the changes come to the conclusion this was a bad choice and the solution would be to revert the changes, I'm fine with that. (do far the vote doesn't look like to agree with you)

So you imply everyone that support your side are 'legit common sense people with brain', and the rest don't? @HoneyBuns This guy is quite disrespectful still.

1. So with the cleric buffs, apart from the people that main a cleric, the others will level one to be an AFK buff slave or 1 of every class to min/max the best buffs (not usable in all content). Buff slaves present in the system. 2. With the removal of all buffs to the cleric, the cleric AFK buff slave is gone. The rest still there. Buff slaves present in the system. 3. My suggestion, main stat is leveled anyways. Overall buffs bit weaker since only reliant from 1 stat, this makes every class feel more unique, and you can balance around that. Buff slaves out of the system. 4. OwlChemistVile's suggestion with Buff Arua's and rewriting about all classes around buffs and debuffs. Buff slaves out of the system. 5. Completely remove all the 15 min buffs from all classes and think of short lived (max 30 sec orso) buffs to give classes that fit their specialization. Buff slaves out of the system. 6. Other possibilities.

Only note is that my suggestion isn't to make it INT or SEN for everyone. It is to remove the buff power enhancement from CHA, so the buffs are only affected by the characters main stat. Maybe I don't understand the scaling part well enough and the other effects CHA also has to make this a good option. For the rest I love your reply, not so sure how I think about buff arua's, but I might be able to get used to that if that would be the best solution.

The underlying problem IMO is that we are all buff addicted. Next to that alot of us have a very nice experience having a max full support buffing cleric. To let that all go in an instant is very hard and a big part of the nostalgia feeling. I understand this. Personally I never liked the 'need' of a cleric buffer, and this felt forced. My solution to this would be as I described to remove the CHARM effect to make the buffs stronger. Next to that, I would leave the 'making stronger' effect of the main stat as it is. This will result in weaker buffs in general, but leaves the buffs to the specific classes. This way the class specific roles get more visible, the buffs make those differences in uniqueness less visible IMO. Personally I don't like the IM availability of buffs.

Sir, not needing them doesn't mean people will not level them and use them. Do you know the phenomenon 'min/maxing', people will go for the best option regardless if you need them or not, especially in PvP. The problem I try to describe is the existence of buff slaves AKA AFK buff bots, cleric or the other classes. You are describing those, even tho you are saying you don't need them. They exist in this setup. Reverting cleric buffs makes the cleric the buff bot.

You are exactly describing the problem I am stating in the suggestion. It is not about the removal of the buffs from cleric tho, it is about the need of buff slaves (afk buff bots) of all classes.

The only thing that is bothering me about the posts @hjvg and @Critpeak is that you use every topic, where people genuinely speak about ideas, use to express you feelings about the cleric change. Cmon man, we know how you think about it by now, let people have a chat about their ideas.