Makarov Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) What's the safe refine upgrade? And does the item break at some point when it fails? +1-10 = Safe +11-15 = ????? +15-20 = ???? Catalyst = Pink Powder, Purple Powder, ???? Refine Enhancement = Lisents ???? Refine Protection = ???? IF the Item has a GEM in it will it affect the success rate of refining ???? This guide will help alot thanks Edited January 23, 2023 by Makarov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 All Item Types (common, honor, valor, etc) have the same degrade levels. Items do not break anymore. Refine Grades 1-10 = safe from degrade Refine Grades 11-15 = 1 degrade level Refine Grades 16-20 = 2 degrade levels 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makarov Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Thank you Avatar. I added 3 more questions that i forgot to write. Pls add to your reply. Appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Catalysts are: Pink/Purple Powders, Lisent (Hg)/(U). Though the other powders and Lisents are still in the game, they are of no use. I think there’s a quest still giving out Lisent (Fe) or something similar and it gives 0% chance of improvement. Refine enhancements and protections have been removed from the game. They were considered P2W and were part of the item mall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makarov Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Awesome. Good to know. This makes it more challenging now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaellus Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 in previous rose versions refining affected DURA and max DURA was like 120. In this rose its different right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLAJR Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 1/24/2023 at 7:15 AM, Avatar said: All Item Types (common, honor, valor, etc.) have the same degrade levels. Items do not break anymore. Refine Grades 1-10 = safe from degrade Refine Grades 11-15 = 1 degrade level Refine Grades 16-20 = 2 degrade levels Just to add base on my own experience just yesterday... I had an Item Grade 1 that I had manage to refine to Grade [10] already, and since I still have 1 remaining bindrune, I think I had nothing to lose if I try to refine it further, thinking the grade will not be downgraded when refining fails but as it fails, the original Grade [10] becomes Grade [9] afterwards with the consumption of the refines and a cost in zulie. With that, I believe that the statement 'safe from degrade" is not guaranteed up to [10] or I just misunderstood the calculation??? Like since I am already aiming for [11] that is why that "1 degrade level" is already in effect? If this is not the intended result, then Devs should visit the code for recalculation of refining rules, there could be some logic (formula) error there... Edited February 17, 2023 by HLAJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, HLAJR said: Just to add base on my own experience just yesterday... I had an Item Grade 1 that I had manage to refine to Grade [10] already, and since I still have 1 remaining bindrune, I think I had nothing to lose if I try to refine it further, thinking the grade will not be downgraded when refining fails but as it fails, the original Grade [10] becomes Grade [9] afterwards with the consumption of the refines and a cost in zulie. With that, I believe that the statement 'safe from degrade" is not guaranteed up to [10] or I just misunderstood the calculation??? Like since I am already aiming for [11] that is why that "1 degrade level" is already in effect? If this is not the intended result, then Devs should visit the code for recalculation of refining rules, there could be some logic (formula) error there... Yes, it performed correctly. You were at 10 and attempting to go to 11. If you fail, it reduces 1. When you fail, you don’t go to 11 first and get reduced 1 and go back to 10. You go from 10, attempt 11 (but don’t get there) and reduced 1, so 9. I hope that made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLAJR Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 3:08 PM, Avatar said: Yes, it performed correctly. You were at 10 and attempting to go to 11. If you fail, it reduces 1. When you fail, you don’t go to 11 first and get reduced 1 and go back to 10. You go from 10, attempt 11 (but don’t get there) and reduced 1, so 9. I hope that made sense. So meaning the only safe is going to 10 (from 9), you can fail there without going back to 8, but if already at 10, you can be rolled back to 9 if failed. Then perhaps just to be clear, these Refine Grades 1-10 = safe from degrade Refine Grades 11-15 = 1 degrade level -----> should become [ Refine Grades "to" 11-15 = 1 degrade level "on failure" ] Refine Grades 16-20 = 2 degrade levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodOfEntity Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) My guide is, don't try to go past 11. Or else you might have a similar re-action. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1743410346 Edited February 20, 2023 by GodOfEntity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeemanGG Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) On 1/24/2023 at 7:15 AM, Avatar said: Refine Grades 11-15 = 1 degrade level Refine Grades 16-20 = 2 degrade levels Any chance the team might add slight % rate for 0 degrade when failed? since it's 100% degrade when failed ingame Edited March 4, 2023 by ZeemanGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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