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On 11/5/2023 at 7:44 AM, GodOfEntity said:
Here's a pretty simple flow chat.
Depends on the nature of advantage. Does the advantage affects "winning" in terms of combat? If yes > Pay2win. If no > Not pay2win.
On 11/8/2023 at 5:40 AM, HilariousFace said:Let's be honest, we can't be too snowflake at calling everything P2W, the game needs to make money somehow in order to be self-sustainable.
In the end, P2W is not the only problem, some people still have advantage over you because they can spend 5+ hours per day, they will certainly have an advantage over you.
I'm ok with Pay to Skip, but not to the degree where if you don't pay up, you never even reach the basic goal of doing something.
You should only be able to pay to get more than basics, but you should not be induced to pay to get to the basic.
If they play 5+ hours a day, then they deserve that advantage. If one player just paid to skip this, that's pay2win.
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The only P2W elements are these two:
1. Anything that affects stats/combat vs player (both direct and indirect).
2. Anything with significant zulie advantage such as being able to trade with others those items bought with real money or item mall (including cosmetics).
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On 4/30/2023 at 4:54 PM, zyk said:
For Support Type Cleric. Can I master all support skills at max level? I'm a cleric now btw. I maxed out Salamander, Summon, Heals mostly for grinding. Thanks.
You can estimate your skill points based on this guide.
On 5/8/2023 at 1:28 PM, Aisha said:hello! i need suggestion for battle cleric pure normal attack no skill.
You can check the group of skills to guide you with your build choice.
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On 1/29/2023 at 12:55 AM, laa said:
Hi! I'm still confused as to how should I build my battle cleric because I want to solo bosses. I think I need help on skill build wise and stat wise
for the gears im currently using exalted raging set for cleric , hardened amazing brush and spider set for my accessory.
If you plan solo boss hunting, you can go offense cluster, defense cluster, and summon cluster.
Try the following:
Offensive core 80
Enhancement core 15
Skill-based core 30
Skill-based extension - Fire 10
Intelligence extension 15
Summon core 10
Phantom sword summon extension 5
Total: 165 (You can add more skill clusters but make sure it will not hinder the way you play as battle cleric, such as summon Salamander will reduce the number of Phantom sword that you can summon, etc).
Go for Arua/Hebarn or Typhoon/Gale, Junon Mask, Exalted Raging.
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1 hour ago, HazDS said:
Great little guide, nice work!
Lmao I don't find it "little." It's actually too much to read if you are lazy like me lol.
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On 1/19/2023 at 1:34 AM, Forestwithin said:
Would you say it is possible to get pt when leveling as a bc or do people just not want you in their pt?
It is possible if you play as lurer. BC is mainly fun when leveling in Eldeon from 120 to 160. At level 160, you will be forced to FS in Ruins BUT you can still find party if you work as lurer, but not as easy as when you play FS.
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Additional note: If you still need help on how to customize your build, feel free to ask by describing how you want to play with your cleric. You can use the clusters as your initial references then I can create a custom build for you.
For example:
A battle cleric with healing support capabilities.- Take offensive core
- Take healing core and extension-party
- Get more sub-clusters based on what you need/want (for example, since you will need more mana as healer, get Mana flame or mana regeneration).
- Wrap up for 241 points (if you are level 250) or based on your current SP.
- ???
- Done!
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Table of Contents:
Introduction- Definition of terms
- Important notes
Skill Clusters
- Mana Cluster
- Summon Cluster
- Offensive Cluster
- Defensive Cluster
- Healing Cluster
- Supportive Cluster
- Control Cluster
DIY Guide
- Full Support Cleric
- Full Defensive Cleric
- Mana Shield Battle Cleric
Closing Remarks
Muse job skills are technically grouped into 5 clusters, namely:- Common
- Offensive
- Supportive
- Cleric
- Mage
But for the benefit of this guide, we will be grouping skills into multiple groups and clusters.
Definition of terms:
- Cluster - Cluster is a main group of skills based on your preference of build.
- Core - Core is a sub-group of skills which are important within their respective clusters.
- Extension - Extension is a sub-group of skills that usually requires core group as pre-requisite.
- Luxury - Luxury is a sub-group that is usually purely additional/bonus.
Important notes:
- Numbers in parenthesis is the amount of required SP. Skill groups within a cluster may (such as Summon Cluster) or may not share the same required core skills.
- Skills in blue are base skills without prerequisites
- Skills in green are skills with chained prerequisites
- Skills in yellow are final skills or skills that isn't required to learn another skills.
- Skills in orange are standalone skills.
MANA CLUSTERMana Cluster consists of skills that benefits mana regeneration, mana consumption reduction, and max MP thickening. These skills are usually important to sustain mana for healing skills and mana shield generation.
Mana Core - CHA (20) are group of skills that increases mana regeneration if your main stats is Charm. This sub-cluster is best for support healers.
- Mana Crux (10)
- Mana Convergence (10)
Mana Core - INT (20) are group of skills that increases mana regeneration and max MP if your main stats is Intelligence. This sub-cluster is best for defensive cleric, esp for mana shield spam.
- Meditation (10)
- Mana Pool (10)
Intelligence Extension (15) are group of skills to support additional Intelligence. This sub-cluster is best to support Mana Core - INT sub-cluster.
- Knowledge Training (10)
- Gift of Knowledge (5)
Mana Extension (15) are group of skills to support mana usage, great for support healers and defensive cleric.
- Mana Conservation (10)
- Blessed Mind Chant (5)
SUMMON CLUSTERSummon Cluster consists of skills that allows summoning.
Summon Core (10) is a sub-cluster to allow summoning.
- Summon Training (10)
Summon Extension (7-15) is a sub-cluster for Bonfire summoning, great for any build of cleric. Requires Summon Core (10).
- Bonfire (5)
- Summon Mastery (2-10)
Offensive Summon Extension - Phantom Sword (5) is a sub-cluster for Phantom Sword summoning. This skill group is highly recommended for solo leveling and single-target killing. Requires Summon Core (10).
- Phantom Sword (5)
Defensive Summon Extension - HP (5) is an extension for Bonfire summoning to enhance HP regeneration. This improves healing through passive HP regeneration. Ideally, keep your Summon Mastery at level 1 and Salamander Flame at level 4 to conserve SP. Requires Summon Extension (7-15).
- Salamander Flame (5)
Defensive Summon Extension - MP (5) is an extension for Bonfire summoning to support mana sustain. This improves active healing through passive mana regeneration. Ideally, keep your Summon Mastery at level 1 and Mana Flame at level 4 to conserve SP. Requires Summon Extension (7-15).
- Mana Flame (5)
Offensive Summon Extension - Firegon (10) is almost a luxury sub-cluster for summoning Firegon. I personally do not recommend this as this requires a lot of SP for minimal DPS increase. I'd rather recommend Phantom Sword sub-cluster. Requires Summon Extension (15) and Defensive Summon Extension - HP (5).
- Summon Fire Elemental (5)
- Summon Firegon (5)
Offensive Summon Luxury (10) is a luxury sub-cluster to summon Ice Dragon. I haven't tried this but it requires too much SP to learn. I only see this as purely aesthetics/cosmetics. Requires Offensive Summon Extension - Firegon (10) and Defensive Summon Extension - MP (5).
- Summon Earth Elemental (5)
- Summon Ice Dragon (5)
OFFENSIVE CLUSTEROffensive Cluster consists of skills that increases wand melee attack damage and wand skills. This cluster is recommend for both melee-based and skill-based battle clerics.
Offensive Core (80) are group of skills that increases wand attack power both for melee-based and skill-based
- Wand Mastery (10)
- Wand Speed (10)
- Wand Accuracy (10)
- Wand Range (10)
- Wand Control (10)
- Wand Speed - Cleric (10)
- Wand Piercing (10)
- Cleric's Intensity (10)
Enhancement Core (15) are group of skills that enhances damage through additional damage buff and reducing target's magic defense.
- Valkyrie Chant (5)
- Mental Focus (5)
- Mana Bolt (5)
Skill-based Core (30) are group of active skills mainly for skill-based battle clerics. Requires Mana Bolt (5).
- Spirit of the Magi (10)
- Mana Wave (5)
- Voltage Bolt (5)
- Voltage Jolt (5)
- Voltage Storm (5)
Skill-based Extension - Ice (10) is an extension for skill-based cleric for Ice skills. This sub-cluster is good for kiting as it reduces target's movespeed.
- Ice Bolt (5)
- Frostbiter (5)
Skill-based Extension - Fire (10) is an extension for skill-based cleric for Fire skills. This sub-cluster is good for dealing damage-over-time, especially with Charm stats.
- Fire Bolt (5)
- Hellfire (5)
DEFENSIVE CLUSTERDefensive Cluster consists of skills that increase defensive capabilities.
Defensive Core (45) consists of skills that allows damage blocking through magic tool, esp if your main stats is Dexterity.
- Mystic Deflection (10)
- Mystic Guard (10)
- Mystic Deviation (10)
- Mystic Safeguard (10)
- Resistance Chant (5)
Defensive Extension (30) consists of skills that increases defense and magic resistance, esp if your main stats is Intelligence.
- Mystic Armor Training (10)
- Dragon Skin (10)
- Mystic Armor (10)
Mana Shield Extension(5) is a core skill for Mana Shield, synergizes best with Mana Core.
- Mana Shield (5)
- Mana Shield Force (5)
HEALING CLUSTERHealing Cluster consists of skills that allows healing, highly recommended for support healers but can also be useful for battle and defensive clerics.
Healing Core (25) is a sub-group of skills for single-target healing, required and important for support healers but can also be great for defensive and battle clerics.
- Cure (5)
- Heal (5)
- Restore (5)
- Recovery (5)
- Integrity (5)
Healing Extension - Party (25) is a sub-group of skills allowing party heals, best for support healers. Requires Healing Core (25).
- Heal - Party (5)
- Restore - Party (5)
- Recovery - Party (5)
- Integrity - Party (5)
- Heavenly Grace (5)
Healing Extension - Revive (5) allows reviving of fallen allies. Requires Restore (15).
- Soul Revive (5)
Healing Luxury (10) enhances healing. Recommended for support healers but can also be good for single-target healing.
- Healer's Touch (10)
SUPPORTIVE CLUSTERSupportive Cluster consists of buff skills.
Supportive Core (20)
- Resistance Chant (5)
- Blessed Mind Chant (5)
- Gift of Knowledge (5)
- Valkyrie Chant (5)
CONTROL CLUSTERControl Cluster consists of crowd controls.
Sleep Core (10) allows sleep control.
- Sleep (5)
- Sleep Cloud (5)
Purify Core (10) allows unbuffing and muting.
- Purify (5)
- Soul Doubt (5)
HOW TO CUSTOMIZE YOUR BUILD?You can customize your build by mix-and-matching clusters for as long as your total SP will not exceed your usable SP (241 SP at max level). Some sub-clusters can be mixed together. Note that all skills within a cluster may or may not be included depending on your preference.
For example, FULL SUPPORT CLERIC may consider the following skills:
Cluster-based skill preferences:
- Healing Core (25) allows healing.
- Healing Extension - Party (25) allows party heal.
- Healing Extension - Revive (5) allows revive.
- Healing Luxury (10) enhances healing.
- Summon Core (10) allows summoning.
- Summon Extension (7) allows bonfire and bonfire upgrade.
- Defensive Summon Extension - HP (4) allows salamander flame.
- Defensive Summon Extension - MP (4) allows mana flame.
- Mana Core - CHA (20) allows mana regeneration through CHA.
- Mana Core - INT (20) allows mana regeneration and max MP through INT.
- Intelligence Extension (15) increases INT.
- Mana Extension (15) reduces mana consumption and increases max MP.
- Defensive Core (45) allows magic tool blocking.
- Defensive Extension (30) increases defensive capabilities.
Individual skill preferences:
- Valkyrie Chant (5) allows additional damage buff.
- Sleep (1) allows sleep.
Total: 241
This build is capable of full healing skills, full mana sustains, full supportive buffs, full defense, and some single-target sleep control.
Another example, FULL DEFENSIVE CLERIC may consider the following skills:
Cluster-based skill preferences:
- Defensive Core (45) allows defensive capabilities with magic tool.
- Defensive Extension (30) allows defensive capabilities.
- Healing Core (25) allows healing.
- Healing Extension - Party (25) allows party heal.
- Intelligence Extension (15) increases INT.
- Summon Core (10) allows summoning.
- Summon Extension (7) allows bonfire and bonfire upgrade.
- Defensive Summon Extension - HP (4) allows salamander flame.
- Mana Core - INT (20) allows mana regeneration and max MP through INT.
- Mana Extension (15) reduces mana consumption and increases max MP.
- Sleep Core (10) allows sleep controls.
- Purify Core (10) allows unbuffing and muting.
Individual skill preferences:
- Mana Shield (5) allows mana shield
- Voltage Storm tree (15) allows stun
- Valkyrie Chant (5) completes supportive buffs
Total: 241
This build is capable of full defense with mana shield and full healing and can also take advantage of sleep (and aoe sleep), unbuffing, muting, and stun.
Lastly, MANA SHIELD BATTLE CLERIC may consider the following skills:
Cluster-based skill preferences:
- Offensive Core (80) allows wand attack power, attack-based and skill-based.
- Enhancement Core (15) allows enhanced damage.
- Skill-based Core (30) allows enhanced skill damage.
- Skill-based Extension - Ice (10) allows skills that slows target's movespeed.
- Skill-based Extension - Fire (10) allows skills that deals damage-over-time.
- Intelligence Extension (15) increases INT.
- Summon Core (10) allows summoning.
- Summon Extension (7) allows bonfire and bonfire upgrade.
- Defensive Summon Extension - HP (4) allows salamander flame.
- Mana Core - INT (20) allows mana regeneration and increases max MP through INT.
- Mana Extension (15) reduces mana consumption and increases max MP
- Sleep Core (10) allows sleep controls.
- Purify Core (10) allows unbuffing and muting.
Individual skill preferences:
- Mana Shield (5) allows mana shield.
Total: 241
This build is capable of attack-based and skill-based offense with Salamander flame and Mana Shield. Also capable of unbuffing, muting, stuns, sleep (and aoe sleep).
CLOSING REMARKSLet's wrap this up. Maybe some other guides will help you with stats. But as a rule of thumb, this is the summary for stats:
- For support cleric with maximum (or near max) healing/buffs, INT = level, rest CHA.
- For battle cleric with highest AP, DEX = level, some SEN for critical, rest INT.
- For defensive cleric with balanced defenses, DEX = INT.
Note: If you find any incorrect info in this guide, please feel free to point them out for correction.
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On 12/28/2022 at 7:26 AM, Sneaux said:
Yeah this person isn't making any sense. I play single client and my main is a battle Muse going for battle Cleric lol. The class is really enjoyable without having to spend SP on 12 different buffs.
Battle cleric is a very fun way of playing cleric. Its ranged and fast AA is very satisfying to watch. Add the fact that you aren't using any ammo lmao.
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On 12/22/2022 at 3:04 AM, prettywomanlover said:
nobody would play cleric if they disable duel clienting. People only use them to support their other character, They are not fun at all and are stressful anymore with no buffs and such weak heals. And if you dont want to duel client then don't It should be an option and has since the beginning of rose. You new players have terrible suggestions.
What?
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Does Gorge of Silence still exist? lmao
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Can we use the color hierarchy of monsters in-game? Like, I want devs to be Purple and lowest member as white/gray/bluish white or gray.
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1. Disable the CLOSE function from ALT+F4! This was possible back in NA ROSE. I place my buff skills in Alt Hoykeys and when I press F4, BAM!
2. Make function hotkeys (F1-F12) usable when entering chat mode. This is frustration. Sometimes I don't know why my skills aren't casting, then it ends up that I had entered chat mode (usually accidentally).
3. Place all shortcut keys of UIs in the leftmost of the keyboard. We need the Alt V (inventory), Alt A (character), Alt F (friends), Alt S (skills) back. When playing, we are usually using the leftmost keys to access the UIs.
3b. If not, include these to legacy mode.
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On 12/17/2022 at 9:35 PM, Sjoerd said:
Mob aggro is too high. The mobs hit very hard in this game, which is understandable because players like a challenge. However the distance that they chase you is extremely long. In some cases, with low mov. speed, you cannot even escape/get past a group of mobs you're not even trying to fight.
Today was the most extreme example. I was wandering through Arumic Valley / Crystal Snowfields (do not recall exact map) and mammoths literally followed me from north portal all the way to south-east of the map where the Dread. king spawns. This is literally all the way from top to furthers bottom of the map. It is ridiculous. There was no way to outrun them, even in cart I could just stay ahead of them.
Not sure if bug, or intended, but could you please review?
I feel you. The mammoths! Really, the mammoths!
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14 hours ago, Lulullaby said:
This games demographic is adults, many of which have a job and many even have families. These people will not want to spend a whole month just to get a single character to max level. The game has to respect their time more.
If you play one hour a day, very unlikely you will be max level within a month. That's too much time, people don't want to spend every hour of their day on this. I say this as someone who has a lot more time than the average player. Because I don't see many adults wanting to put in every hour of their free time and it still
My suggestion is for the developers and the community to look at a way to streamline this experience. There's many ways to go about this. Here's a few suggestions:
- Double Exp weekends/events
- Increase the Exp rate
- More exp from quests
- Exp Medals, preferably ingame obtainable but can also be IM
These are just a few quick suggestions, I'm sure there are more and better ways to go about this so please leave your own suggestions.
It's not slow at all levels. In some places it's great and it shouldn't be adjusted, but there are definitely levels where it feels like it takes a really long time.
I urge the devs to look into how many hours it takes to go from 1 to 250 currently. And to then look at how many hours they think it should take. If it is for example (made up numbers) on average 2 hours for 10 levels currently. That would mean it takes 50 hours to get a single character from 1 to 250. That is obviously way too long.
TL;DR, no. The game wasn't developed so that you skip 99% of the areas, zones, maps, worlds into the game. Getting into 250 is just the ultimate goal, but playing and grinding is the main part of the game.
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45 minutes ago, Assata said:
Level : yes ! (I don't trust people)
Job : maybe useful for 2nd job when someone says he's bourg and he's actually artisan ? :')
The party interface was veryyyyy old. The group interface is much better, especially it is easier for cleric's to heal them.
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3 hours ago, Schizophrenia said:
Does anyone have a good explanation on the difference of Skill Power Power and Attack power? Does attack power increase damage on basic attacks and skill power affects skills being used on each character?
Attack power affects both skill and melee (auto/basic/normal) attack. Skill power is calculated by percentage of attack power plus flat skill power (not entirely sure about this).
For example: A skill in description shows 150% +100 wherein 150% is for your attack power, 100 is for flat skill power, and the total as for skill power.-
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18 hours ago, Avatar said:
Actual release is tentatively scheduled for mid 2023. There is no confirmed date. So it may come sooner or later than that tentative date.
Most probably later. There were lots of stuffs to fix than when it was NA Rose.
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If someone reserves your "preferred" name using the paid reservation, then you won't be able to "use" it when early access starts because system will say "name is already taken." Paid reservation of name starts before the game allows player to create and name their characters.
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On 10/21/2022 at 12:44 AM, Zeror said:
I wouldn't want players to show up on my map unless it are party members. I mean in cities, like Junon Polis, the map wouldn't be readable at all. Even an hide option is a bad idea. Not everything has to be tracked with that precise. WoW feature to have just a list of players present in a map is best solution. You can see how crowded it is by looking at the list. You don't need more then that. Not everything should be on the map.
If you don't want the said feature, you can have it disabled. You don't need to disagree to an idea just because you don't like it. This feature can come with flexibility to cater those who want and those who don't want.
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Pls. Even a dot can be very helpful.
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lmao I have these on my proposed muse skill tree. Although it is only limited to ice and fire resistance passive.
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Imagine Tiktok getting invaded with ROSE Online dance crazes. This would be a great cosmetic collection. I don't mind if monsters drop these skill books, then players farm for it while everyone are spending their zulies just to have a certain dance craze skill book.
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55 minutes ago, Bobbity said:
There's way too much happening in that diagram for me to parse quickly.
I'll be back!
lmfao. There are no lines/arrows there yet (idk how to, lol). But the idea is to give the Artisan 3 core groups of skills:
1: Crafting (advance, supporting with crafted items, weapons, equips, pots, and indirect battle capabilities with crafted grenades, landmines, etc)
2: Summons (immobile summons, supporting with crowd controls and powerups, and indirect battle capabilities with attacking summons)
3: Gun/Launcher skills (direct battle capabilities).
Proposal is somehow complete; I can send you a copy as they have descriptions when you hover each skill.
[POLL] What do you see as Pay2Win
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Don't overcomplicate. MOBAs aren't pay to win because even if you spent million dollars, you won't have the advantage in winning the game. There's no such thing as Pay2win when it comes to owning skins.